[35] He also briefly resurrected his feud with Tully Blanchard in CCW, earning two consecutive victories over him, the second being in a Bunkhouse Brawl. Why don’t you and a few other neutral observers (if that’s possible) compile a document that fairly addresses the nuance, pros, cons, etc. Sorry if that seems snarky, but that’s exactly how the quoted statement makes me feel. In the end for any kind of decent peaceful civilization to persist on this planet we must STOP killing each other over arguing about who has the best imaginary friend! But you miss my point.
Most who remain active in the LDS church after truly digesting these powerful arguments, at first feel like the floor has been pulled out from under them, and then procede to seek answers. He then played for the Hartford Charter Oaks in the Continental Football League until the team folded. Runnells was a sixth-generation member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and a descendant of Utah pioneers.
In the past, before the internet, the Church, thought they could just ignore the tough questions with the policy of “the best thing to do with muddy water, is to let it sit”…or blame it on “anti-Mormon” propaganda. Mormonism? Jeremy may be an ass, but he cannot help but state the obvious: the LDS Church cannot be literally true. [3] Rhodes returned once more to WCW, re-igniting his feud with Ric Flair. Heck, I’d have no problem at all with the brethren being mere (say) fishermen or farmers or what-have-you. James to defeat Team Canada (Eric Young and Bobby Roode and Johnny Devine).
CES Letter is one Latter-Day Saint's honest quest to get official answers from the LDS Church on its troubling origins, history, and practices. There are no facts in history (regardless of how hard historians try to approach it as if they were dealing with one of the hard sciences) because only interpretations of first, but usually second- and third-hand (or worse), accounts that exist only fragmentarily, and they are themselves interpretations of the people observing the actual facts in the world around them, not the facts themselves. This was in fact what Jeremy Runnells was originally trying to do. MormonThink does not offer a consideration of the available literature.
So much heartache (present and future, no doubt) could have been avoided with a little effort and patience to research the answers that actually do exist and to have the patience to provide some time for God to teach him. That’s not a claim that the Church can’t assist it’s members in understanding history from its faithful perspective (which, if it’s foundational truth claims are real, is real history). The third was on May 8, where he defeated Corino. Bischoff then fired Rhodes. I do think that there are satisfactory answers for the majority of his questions, and I do not believe that any of the issues he raised are a “smoking gun” that inevitably leads to the conclusion that the church is false.
Rhodes was also a two time World Six-Man Tag Team Champion with The Road Warriors.
Especially after it became obvious that answers to these question would help a lot of people, including the person he promised to help, the CES director continues to sit in radio silence?? [40] During his acceptance speech, Rhodes asked Ric Flair and Arn Anderson to hold up the "sign" and induct him and Harley Race into the Four Horsemen.
Letter to a CES [Church "/> Are you going to tell me that James B. Allen is a critic of the church?
A YouTube video shows Runnells making the announcement Sunday night while speaking to supporters from the back of a pickup truck outside a Mormon meetinghouse in American Fork. “A Bible, a Bible, we’ve got a Bible”….really? He later went to work for Innovationedge in Neenah, Wisconsin, as director of solution development. Rhodes was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame on March 31, 2007 by his two sons, Dustin and Cody. After all, such a scholar would have additional layers of professional and social responsibilities and expectations to navigate. Everything doesn’t have a tidy little answer? And may God also bless those who choose to believe. That’s all you have to do, oh and wear the magic underwear, and you got a reservation for the afterlife. For those of us who are actively engaged in Mormon history and social media, and still remain actively-engaged in the Mormon faith, we can all do better at sharing our perspective in a sympathetic and charitable manner. Sort of a Back to the Future dynamic. Anyone who has spent serious time studying the history of the church know that Smith didn’t begin discussing his vision really until he began working on his personal history in Nauvoo.
All we have is Runnell’s word that the guy never back in touch with him. What it can do, however, is inform you to know that there are multiple conclusions that can be drawn from the historical record; and that anyone, whether faithful or critical, who tells you that there is only one way that the evidence leads, is selling you lakeside property in Nevada. As for myself, and many others, who are more independent thinkers and searchers, we tend to prefer “that the power is in us, when we are agents unto ourselves”.
And you accuse the faithful of mental gymnastics? I wish I thought he was sincere in his initial “questioning” to his CES leader, but I think his comments in some of the ex-Mormon sub-Reddit boards suggest otherwise (see http://www.plonialmonimormon.com/2016/02/ces-letter-author-jeremy-runnells-to.html).
(2) The Church history department is doing good work. So what of Jeremy’s approach? He played baseball for West Texas State University. He eventually began working as a booker and wrestler with Jim Crockett Promotions (JCP) in the Mid-Atlantic, which eventually purchased World Championship Wrestling (WCW), formerly Georgia Championship Wrestling. If so, why is that?” I am pretty much saying that, or at least not enough of it. After graduating from Johnston High School in Austin, Rhodes played baseball at West Texas State (now known as West Texas A&M University). And what of it?
Why is there a need to even be saved at all? FairMormon, the group that does apologetic research and publications defending the church came out with a lengthy, point by point rebuttal.
One other example: If you went on a mission as I did, in the early 70’s, we proudly showed a film called “Ancient America Speaks”, thinking that the church had discovered all this marvelous evidence for the (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer, File). Why not release the name of this CES director so we can ask him? The following week Rhodes got a shot at the NWA title against Styles but lost when he passed out during the figure-4.
For example, the Book of Abraham can be shown to either be a true translation of Egyptian, or not. So there’s nothing noble about making excuses for the institution and encouraging people to continue giving their money to it. 7) I bet if Runnell really wanted the CES director’s thoughts on this collaborative effort of the entire anti-LDS community, he probably could have called him up and asked for an appointment to talk with him…. Brian, thanks for your reply. If you love music like me, you can see in his work, influences from James Brown, Michael Jackson and Jimi Hendrix.
That said, I’m one of those folks you describe above. A true pity. There is no taking literal Christianity seriously, and Mormonism is simply a very esoteric kind of literal Christianity.
However, it is not providing answers to the kinds of questions Jeremy asked. There are actual charities out there that could do far more good for the world with the tithes of the rich and middle class than does the Church.
The historical record of the church and its inconstancies is pure cake when compared to the question of God, Jesus Christ and a concept of a Savior.
E. Thompson, you may be surprised to hear that I agree with many of your thoughts.
I find it interesting that those least likely to lose their heads of Church history are – historians. What are we being saved from? Give me a break. Jack, Brian, and other “defenders of the truth”. [54]
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Most who remain active in the LDS church after truly digesting these powerful arguments, at first feel like the floor has been pulled out from under them, and then procede to seek answers. He then played for the Hartford Charter Oaks in the Continental Football League until the team folded. Runnells was a sixth-generation member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and a descendant of Utah pioneers.
In the past, before the internet, the Church, thought they could just ignore the tough questions with the policy of “the best thing to do with muddy water, is to let it sit”…or blame it on “anti-Mormon” propaganda. Mormonism? Jeremy may be an ass, but he cannot help but state the obvious: the LDS Church cannot be literally true. [3] Rhodes returned once more to WCW, re-igniting his feud with Ric Flair. Heck, I’d have no problem at all with the brethren being mere (say) fishermen or farmers or what-have-you. James to defeat Team Canada (Eric Young and Bobby Roode and Johnny Devine).
CES Letter is one Latter-Day Saint's honest quest to get official answers from the LDS Church on its troubling origins, history, and practices. There are no facts in history (regardless of how hard historians try to approach it as if they were dealing with one of the hard sciences) because only interpretations of first, but usually second- and third-hand (or worse), accounts that exist only fragmentarily, and they are themselves interpretations of the people observing the actual facts in the world around them, not the facts themselves. This was in fact what Jeremy Runnells was originally trying to do. MormonThink does not offer a consideration of the available literature.
So much heartache (present and future, no doubt) could have been avoided with a little effort and patience to research the answers that actually do exist and to have the patience to provide some time for God to teach him. That’s not a claim that the Church can’t assist it’s members in understanding history from its faithful perspective (which, if it’s foundational truth claims are real, is real history). The third was on May 8, where he defeated Corino. Bischoff then fired Rhodes. I do think that there are satisfactory answers for the majority of his questions, and I do not believe that any of the issues he raised are a “smoking gun” that inevitably leads to the conclusion that the church is false.
Rhodes was also a two time World Six-Man Tag Team Champion with The Road Warriors.
Especially after it became obvious that answers to these question would help a lot of people, including the person he promised to help, the CES director continues to sit in radio silence?? [40] During his acceptance speech, Rhodes asked Ric Flair and Arn Anderson to hold up the "sign" and induct him and Harley Race into the Four Horsemen.
Letter to a CES [Church "/> Are you going to tell me that James B. Allen is a critic of the church?
A YouTube video shows Runnells making the announcement Sunday night while speaking to supporters from the back of a pickup truck outside a Mormon meetinghouse in American Fork. “A Bible, a Bible, we’ve got a Bible”….really? He later went to work for Innovationedge in Neenah, Wisconsin, as director of solution development. Rhodes was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame on March 31, 2007 by his two sons, Dustin and Cody. After all, such a scholar would have additional layers of professional and social responsibilities and expectations to navigate. Everything doesn’t have a tidy little answer? And may God also bless those who choose to believe. That’s all you have to do, oh and wear the magic underwear, and you got a reservation for the afterlife. For those of us who are actively engaged in Mormon history and social media, and still remain actively-engaged in the Mormon faith, we can all do better at sharing our perspective in a sympathetic and charitable manner. Sort of a Back to the Future dynamic. Anyone who has spent serious time studying the history of the church know that Smith didn’t begin discussing his vision really until he began working on his personal history in Nauvoo.
All we have is Runnell’s word that the guy never back in touch with him. What it can do, however, is inform you to know that there are multiple conclusions that can be drawn from the historical record; and that anyone, whether faithful or critical, who tells you that there is only one way that the evidence leads, is selling you lakeside property in Nevada. As for myself, and many others, who are more independent thinkers and searchers, we tend to prefer “that the power is in us, when we are agents unto ourselves”.
And you accuse the faithful of mental gymnastics? I wish I thought he was sincere in his initial “questioning” to his CES leader, but I think his comments in some of the ex-Mormon sub-Reddit boards suggest otherwise (see http://www.plonialmonimormon.com/2016/02/ces-letter-author-jeremy-runnells-to.html).
(2) The Church history department is doing good work. So what of Jeremy’s approach? He played baseball for West Texas State University. He eventually began working as a booker and wrestler with Jim Crockett Promotions (JCP) in the Mid-Atlantic, which eventually purchased World Championship Wrestling (WCW), formerly Georgia Championship Wrestling. If so, why is that?” I am pretty much saying that, or at least not enough of it. After graduating from Johnston High School in Austin, Rhodes played baseball at West Texas State (now known as West Texas A&M University). And what of it?
Why is there a need to even be saved at all? FairMormon, the group that does apologetic research and publications defending the church came out with a lengthy, point by point rebuttal.
One other example: If you went on a mission as I did, in the early 70’s, we proudly showed a film called “Ancient America Speaks”, thinking that the church had discovered all this marvelous evidence for the (AP Photo/Rick Bowmer, File). Why not release the name of this CES director so we can ask him? The following week Rhodes got a shot at the NWA title against Styles but lost when he passed out during the figure-4.
For example, the Book of Abraham can be shown to either be a true translation of Egyptian, or not. So there’s nothing noble about making excuses for the institution and encouraging people to continue giving their money to it. 7) I bet if Runnell really wanted the CES director’s thoughts on this collaborative effort of the entire anti-LDS community, he probably could have called him up and asked for an appointment to talk with him…. Brian, thanks for your reply. If you love music like me, you can see in his work, influences from James Brown, Michael Jackson and Jimi Hendrix.
That said, I’m one of those folks you describe above. A true pity. There is no taking literal Christianity seriously, and Mormonism is simply a very esoteric kind of literal Christianity.
However, it is not providing answers to the kinds of questions Jeremy asked. There are actual charities out there that could do far more good for the world with the tithes of the rich and middle class than does the Church.
The historical record of the church and its inconstancies is pure cake when compared to the question of God, Jesus Christ and a concept of a Savior.
E. Thompson, you may be surprised to hear that I agree with many of your thoughts.
I find it interesting that those least likely to lose their heads of Church history are – historians. What are we being saved from? Give me a break. Jack, Brian, and other “defenders of the truth”. [54]
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