But in that. The Multiverse was created by an ancient celestial called Perpetua who existed before until she was betrayed by her 3 sons. But really? The Presence is a fictional character in comic books published by DC Comics. Character Level Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. The Presence is one of the supreme and essential creative forces of the DC Multiverse. When was it ever proven that the Over-Monitor was far below the Presence? There's no one in-universe explanation possible for him. VsDebating Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. DC doesn’t have an omniverse. DC Database is a FANDOM Movies Community. Finally, multiple comics have either suggested or outright stated that the avatar of the Presence was born out of the primordial Void from which all things originate, thus making him just another character is drawn from the canvas that is The Overmonitor. And in new 2015 Vertigo Lucifer Comic, The Presence has been killed by Archangel Gabriel. In the history of the DC Universe, The Presence is the fictionalized counterpart to the God of the Abrahamic (but mostly Christian) religions. And the writer just documents the universes history from earth 34 i think using Ultracomics. The Overmonitor has actually been proven to be far beneath the Presence in power. Talking about a ‘supreme being’ immediately conjures paradoxes. The Presence is also the might leader of the legendary angels, a race of supernatural beings that guides the deceased, and brings hope and goodness to the multiverse itself. One editor (for Green Lantern:Sleepers) removed God from the equation entirely. It is actually a character drawn by the Writer, just like any other DC character. It's thoughts are drawn with ink, showing that it is a living, conscious entity. Does that make the Writer less than the Overvoid, just because he appears within the Overvoid? However, the collected dream of a world where humans ruled over cats altered reality from its very beginning, making it so that humans were always larger than cats. If Lucifer Morningstar saw the Overmonitor as a mere canvas, something he could do whatever he wanted with (which he proved by creating the new Multiverse), then he is obviously more powerful than the Overmonitor. A God needs only a canvas". But even I was shaped by forces external to me.

― The Presence to Michael and Lucifer Arise Etrigan wrote: They do this using the connective energy, born of the Presence, the Source. For example (also under J.M DeMatteis's run of the Spectre), Hal Jordan's compassion/belief in redemption for mankind changed the Presence from male to female. Tupka217 wrote: The character debuted in More Fun Comics #52 (February 1940), and was created by Jerry Siegel and Bernard Baily. Where is the proof? | High Outerverse level (Equal in importance and complexity to The Source and Monitor-Mind The Overvoid, being the supreme creative force from which absolutely everything, existent or nonexistent, sprung from, and that which is known by millions of names and aspects but ultimately translates to one singular entity, The Creator), Striking Strength: Outerversal | High Outerversal, Durability: Outerverse level | High Outerverse level, Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscient | Omniscient. Also, the multiverse is controlled from the forgotten 6th dimension But then again, her multiverse was redone by Dr. Manhattan (originally we thought it was Pandora) while the presence can't rly do this as simple magic and mythology can't. It is not all-powerful, because it could not erase the Writer's work, nor could it undo the work of the Presence or Lucifer. Said to know everything; the only things he doesn't know are those he purposefully leaves open due to him personally wanting to experience not knowing something, The decisions he makes affect everything since the beginning of time, and whoever he destroys will not be killed, since they will never have existed in the first place, He decided every variable and every law, and everything that happens only happens because he so wishes, Embodies the minds and dreams of all sentient beings in existence, He contains and surpassed everyone and everything in creation, No place in creation extends beyond his reach, Stated to be one with everything, and to be both everywhere and nowhere at the same time, https://vsdebating.fandom.com/wiki/The_Presence?oldid=22304. Together with the two aforementioned entities, The Presence can be said to represent God. Note 2: Before making any changes to this page, please read and follow the Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics. It's sort of a pars pro toto to refer to Him as "the Presence", then. Then his page says he is Omnipotence, Omniscience, ect. Hell, the entire DC Omniverse is just a speck to it. The Presence is the representation of the Judeo-Christian God in the DC Multiverse and the father of both Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos.

Ok first of off all I want to know how exactly is he Supreme Being of DC. There are certain things he doesn't know, and which occur outside of his plan, and he cannot know the thoughts of comparable beings. Arise Etrigan wrote: It could only encapsulate and contain the work to isolate it from the rest of the Overvoid. In the history of the DC Universe, The Presence is the fictionalized counterpart to the God of the Abrahamic (but mostly Christian) religions. The Presence is the sole leader of the Protogenoi who embodies the essential facets of existence as to keep synchronizations between realities to be absolutely perfect. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. The religious cosmology of the multiverse is complex, with many pantheons of gods co-existing alongside each other. For you are the king of contrivance and manipulation Samael. The avatar form of The Presence is incapable of killing The Great Evil Beast, with both being equal halves of the same whole. And while the Abrahamic God sits above all others, the book of Genesis didn't happen to the letter. It was not an unfounded statement. Also, why has no one mentioned the recent Justice League? Some writers portray Him as being the Biblical God, whilst other writers portray Him completely differently. The Presence has limitations based on his role which God would not have. The main point I want to make clear is that characters drawn by the Writer can actually be stronger than the Overvoid. The Overvoid is indeed intended to represent the page, but there are beings that appear on the page that are stronger than the page itself. Throughout the void, beings like Perpetua are tasked with starting multiverses. Or not want. Be careful not to add too much fan theories to it. Kind of, but not really. Who is The Overmonitor? Although his power is virtually unparalleled, he rarely interferes in the affairs of mortals directly, instead acting through agents and aspects of himself, such as The Spectre. Name: Yahweh, Jehovah, The Presence, God of the Covenant, Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality (Types 1, 3 and 10), Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 2), Large Size (Type 11), Abstract Existence (Type 1), Transduality (Transcends The Endless and creation), Non-Corporeal, Shapeshifting, Regeneration (High-Godly), Reality Warping, Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Law Manipulation (Shaped existence and its laws into effect), Fate Manipulation (Set the fate for the DCU), Probability Manipulation (All things happen due to his will, as he decides every variable and law), Void Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Life and Death Manipulation, Acausality (Type 5), Causality Manipulation, Telekinesis, Telepathy, Teleportation, Flight, Omnipresence, Nigh-Omniscience, Resistance to Death Manipulation, Madness Manipulation, Willpower Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Dream Manipulation, and Destruction (Transcends the Endless, who embody those concepts), Attack Potency: Outerverse level (The Presence is the creator god of the DC-Vertigo continuity, immensely above both Michael Demiurgos and Lucifer Morningstar, and superior to the boundless and beyond-dimensional Mother Night. It is not omniscient - it was originally unaware that the Writer had drawn on it. Advice to the staff of the Character Level wiki, The Presence can be said to represent God, apparently intended to be the beliefs and imaginations of humanity, making it so that humans were always larger than cats, Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics, https://character-level.fandom.com/wiki/The_Presence?oldid=12792. Limited only by The Overvoid.) Its "Divine Presence" key refers to its true and purely abstract form, which is mostly unrelated to its avatar of Yahweh as the Judaico-Christian God. Nah, it was stated in Swamp Thing that The Presence was incapable of killing GEB because it's the dark half of the Presence. "All things stand as I determined the morning of the worlds. And now I might miss something about him, please let me know in the comments below. Whether or not he is the complete Judeo-Christian God, I cannot deny that the Presence of God is most commonly depicted as God. The Presence is the god of DC. Believers refute such paradoxes with two generic responses; supreme power within the limits of possibility, or our minds can’t possibly fathom such power. Note 1: The Presence is considered one of the three major manifestations of God. I've been reading a lot of the Spectre lately and I agree with this statement completely.

Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. No. On your way-- and may God have mercy on you. Please do not confuse the two. The Overmonitor is also with limits, perhaps more so than the Presence. Sure, it's not omniscient, but its very nature puts it above him.


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