And, um, I don’t understand what I’ve done wrong. You appear to be proud of your unChristlike attitude. .
Jeremy Runnells has so many of the same questions I had about the lds church and its history. A disciplinary council for Jeremy Runnells, author of the CES Letter and founder of the non-profit CES Letter Foundation, was held yesterday on charges of apostasy. The Lord has said that all things are to be “done in cleanliness” before Him (. That they’re incorrect. You claimed that you had additional information to warrant the disciplinary council on Valentine’s Day. I always knew there were issues, this opened up pandora's box, As I am attempting to broaden and deepen my understanding of my own religion and its complicated history, I appreciate the questions/concerns/criticisms presented in this letter. Someone such as Jeremy is suggesting it couldn't "possibly" be incorrect, because true prophets seer revelators would have corrected it. That’s not honest. It seems he was playing it all out for effect and to be able to document it on his website. These are not anti-Mormon lies! Have you, Mormography, EVER considered the possibility that you, Mormography, might be wrong about this?Bennett's fantastically hypocritical rambling and Jeremy's "work" have been proven not to be what anything that Ramer claims them to be.Nothing of the sort has been "proven." His stake president has not though, and it is not looking like his stake president is showing contrition so far, so it unlikely he will be forgiven, but that is between God and his stake president.With all this clarified it looks like most every Christian can pass those questions honestly, I don't think these questions are an improvement.
First impression is that it is extremely repetitive. "Individual: "Only through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Christ of the Old Testament and the Christ of the New Testament are light years different. Overall, this does a decent job of shedding light on things that the leadership (and most of the adherents) of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints had for generations swept under a rug. I said, wait a minute, I never changed the agreement, March 15th, why are you changing it? Add to that the constant condescending barbs and jabs sprinkled throughout his works, and I just cannot take any of it seriously, much less find it compelling.Jeremy's work is really only compelling to people who are only willing to see one side of the story, or are just looking to confirm their biases or suspicions. Jeremy Runnels (a member of the Church of Jesus Christ if Latter-day Saints) was approached and asked by a Church Education System (CES) Director to share his concerns and questions about the LDS Church’s origins, history, and current practices. I have sought official answers to church problems. Jeremy: Okay. On the phone call when I said March 15, you said, I can’t wait that long. Do you have faith in and a testimony of God, the Eternal Father; His Son, Jesus Christ; and the Holy Ghost? Jeremy: I need to be able to hear him better. I think you are saying you do not like Jeremy for various reasons and the other guy is saying he finds your reasons insincere. These fragments date to between the 3rd century BC and the 1st century C.E. Is this really the one and only true forest on the face of the earth?
No charges were given to me. I had known about a lot of controversies in the LDS religion for a while. Jeremy: Okay, you’re not going to answer that?
There are probably answers to everything you're inquiring about, whether they're found internal or external to yourself doesn't matter. The Book of Mormon Translation, We were taught that Joseph Smith used gold plates to translate the Book of Mormon.
Jermeny runnells has done all those things so he will receive the promised benefits. I did not describe destroying faith, not my style. This was a riveting read! Download Here On this episode, we finally have a conversation with Jeremy Runnells, author of the “Letter to a CES Director.” In 2013, Jeremy made waves in Mormon communities when he released his open letter to a CES director. Jeremy: Can you finish the rest of the apostasy definition? and your children may be blessed” It's because I prefer to research issues before making conclusions. Wish more people would read it with an open mind and reconsider the logical gymnastics they routinely conduct to justify awful things like, say, child brides. Logical, clearly written, and for the most part dispassionate. I said, nothing’s changed, I’ll still meet with you. Out of curiosity, by a show of hands, how many of you have read the church’s essays? There’s indication from your public website and also in on-line public forums that you are openly and deliberately in public opposition to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And there are just problems and we’re in the reality of the information age. Those who approach with a more analytical eye will be more capable of seeing the problems in his work.
Rather, you are instructed to wear it, And your last questions, "isn't a covenant a one way street, where someone gets nothing in return. Kiwi - I see, no explanations.
The reality is that church history is absolutely messy and it’s not pretty down there. However the authors research was to extensive and complete - and the sad part is that the church would not answer him. A comprehensive examination of Mormonism that seeks to unearth the truth the church has been hiding. ?...Bennett's foreword opens with ad hominem, for only one example, Bennett declares Jeremy is lying about not even making minimum wage...Bennett said nothing about minimum wage, but even if he had it would only be ad hominem if he was using it as an excuse to dismiss what Jeremy was saying. There has recently been a public disclosure of a sub rosa recording of the Disciplinary Council held against Jeremy Runnells for the reason of Apostasy. Then immediately after attacking him, Bennett swears he is not attacking him. Buzzword is my favorite of Ramer's buzzwords. Ivins: You’ll have an interpreter right here. Thank you all for coming tonight, I appreciate it. Feeling Blue About the Red Sea in the Book of Mormon? He was honestly trying to continue his beliefs and after many years as a Mormon he wanted to stay a Mormon. Steve 8:30 - not sure how you came to your orbital assessment on 6 and 7. The removal of this comment indicates there is some sort of slieght of hand occuring. There are serious problems with church history. The church claims to believe in free agency, but it doesn’t. Joseph Smith wrote several different essays that contradict each other. I don’t understand why you are spiritually executing me over something, I don’t know what’s wrong. I’ve sought answers from you, President Ivins, in two meetings. You’re just saying that I’m in opposition. We had an agreement to meet on March 15 and I am extremely disturbed by how I was treated this year by you president, extremely disturbed. 9:18 Ivins: Okay, we’ve had an opening prayer, um, Jeremy we have convened tonight to perform a disciplinary council in your behalf the result of which includes the possibility of no action, formal probation, disfellowshipment or excommunication.
It’s the church’s own essay! It is my opinion that you have repeatedly acted in clear and open deliberate public opposition to the church and its leaders. And, so February 28th you emailed me again and you asked if I was still gonna meet March 15th. I just mentioned some of them. He later published this in a pdf on his website, which is now known as the CES Letter. Jeremy: This is my interpreter Aaron that will be helping me tonight. Jeremy: I’m sorry, where is this from by the way? What I think is disingenuous is his statement that he desires to retain his membership in the church. No one goes as in depth and approaches the matter with such grace and unbias. That was when I started to study the Book of Mormon. Every Mormon should read this, if for no other reason than to understand why most people leave the church. More like the delusions cause the comprehension challenges. And I’ve sought the answers for three years. It wasn’t because the blacks were not valiant in the pre-existence. Thank you all, I’m going to head in. "Regarding 1769 KJV and the BoM, Bennett ONLY quibbled about the word "error" vice "variation" and then Bennett deliberately lied, stating "it's quite a different case..."Error vs. variation and "quite a different case" are referring to two different things under one umbrella topic. Growing Evidence for the Scriptures: Now a Centralized Source to Consider. It’s important. Page 81 of your on-line document. This is the book anyone interested in joining the Mormon church should read before doing so. I'm just glad we're talking about Jeremy Runnells. That just made it urgent. The recommend questions aren't meant to be cover every detail, but some general principles to ensure that the person is ready. We’re in the church essays world. At least St. Augustine had the intellectual honesty to admit he was not actually chaste, he only desired to be.Regarding 1769 KJV and the BoM, Bennett ONLY quibbled about the word "error" vice "variation" and then Bennett deliberately lied, stating "it's quite a different case". The book is free on cesletter.org and has a number of links and resources. – Why is that? Those with maturity and comprehension challenges confuse Jeremy's valiance to attacks of ridiculously, repetitive arrows barbed with condescending jabs as Jeremy being one-sided, biased, and lacking analytical capacity. You didn't sincerely ask a question you didn't already know the answer to. As Steve comprehends, Jeremy didn't have conclusions, but questions. And they never came. So, I had a press conference to discuss this un-Christ like behavior and this injustice that was being done against me. The church’s essays are discrediting the church. You disappear for a year then all of a sudden, you have this sense of urgency. And this means that those who support same-sex marriage can be denied a temple recommend, even if they aren't practicing it. I found this book and I am so thankful to have read it. Jeremy: I know, but I want to be able to hear as well. Jeremy: I deny it in the context of how you are framing it. That was when I started to study the Book of Mormon. I am only interested in accurate information. In response, Jeremy wrote what later became publicly known as "Letter to a CES Director." Crucial issues are addressed here that almost all the mainstream members of the LDS church are totally unaware of. Ivins: Part one, part two and part three are all from the Mormon Stories. This read surpassed my expectations, it read like legal thriller! Bamboozled by the “CES Letter” (free download) In April 2013 Jeremy T. Runnells published a pdf booklet entitled, “Letter to a CES Director.” This booklet, which is now typically referred to as the “CES Letter,” catalogues Runnells’ concerns and reasons why he left The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Equivalently, I have asked "upon what grounds do you know 2 Nephi 19:1 should have said 'sea' instead of 'Red Sea? We've got you covered with the buzziest new releases of the day.
It is very clear to me that the church does not have answers to its truth crisis. And I have a problem with that. If we are going to call an unoriginal compendium of items "a work", then yes, Ramer's miscomprehension is the source of his vitriol.
Ivins: schizophrenic one as well.” Page 82 quote “There are just too many problems, we’re not just talking about one issue here. I mean brethren I don’t, I don’t know how to repent of the truth. Who is Jehovah? This really is a must read for anyone interested in mormonism.
The Book of Abraham, Blacks and the Priesthood, There’s a First Vision Accounts Essay. That's the link to the most current version of the book. And you had a problem with the interpreter, you did not want an interpreter present. I was seeing this information, I was trying to resolve it by writing the letter to the CES director. 2000 years after Abraham lived.
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